Giving Money to Beggars and Homeless People

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By Lisa HW

Of Homeless People, Beggars, and Broken Hearts


Whenever a group of people have a discussion about giving money (whether tax dollars or charity) to the "down-and-out" it seems inevitable that the conversation will eventually get around to whether or not people will give money to homeless people or "beggars" on the street.

It may just be the circles in which I travel, but from what I've seen the vast majority of people say they would not give cash to a beggar, primarily because they "don't want the person using it to buy cigarettes, alcohol, or drugs". That seems reasonable enough. After all, people who would be happy to buy lunch for a beggar don't necessarily want to spend their money on "booze" for him. Even understanding that kind of thinking, as well as generally sharing it myself, I do, in some ways, find something a little offputting, however, about the idea that a person will consider giving money to another only if he knows that other person will spend it the way he expects him to. I don't know.. There's that part of me that, in spite of understanding and generally sharing the reasonable thinking that food is the most important, and only healthy, thing on which to spend money intended to feed a hungry person; there's also the part of me that thinks, "Here's this individual who is in such desperate need of cash. Never mind trying to involve yourself in his business, or 'give him incentive to get help'. Just either give him your few dollars or don't, but at least give him that his poverty is not a license for others to tell him how he should spend what few dollars he manages to come by."

Still, that part of me that thinks people should either give or not give but not attach strings to what they give exists alongside the part of me that understands the thinking of what is apparently the majority of other people.

Suppose, though, the beggar on the street has been living out in the cold for so long, separated from (for example) the children he loves for no reason other than than a lousy court system, hasn't been able to get to see his ailing and dying father because of money and transportation; and has reached a point in his grief and anger (with no one and nothing on whom to take out that anger in an acceptable way); and has reached a point where the only thing that keeps him from finding the anger and grief so unbearable that he'll kill himself (and he doesn't want to do that, because he's got that ailing father and those kids and keeps thinking things might get better if he can just get through yet one more unbearable moment and not kill himself). And suppose that beggar knows that a drink or some drug may "take the edge" of the acute and unbearable pain, just so he can get through the moment and live to try, hope, and struggle for his sanity for another day....

Some people's answer would be that he shouldn't have allowed himself to take that first drink or drug in the first place. (Maybe he thought he could keep it from being a problem and turned out to be wrong. Maybe, when faced with suicide or risking addiction, he went with the least of the two evils. ) Some people would say that relying on the drink or drugs, and giving him money, only fuels the addiction; and addiction, of course, is "bad" and dangerous and destructive.

Maybe that beggar is thinking that the drink or drugs are keeping him alive and sane right now, and he'll address the issue of his addiction once something has gotten better for him and he's more in a position to better be able to fight it and conquer it.

I'm not much of a user of alcohol. I drink about three glasses of wine a year. One day I'm going to get myself a Bloody Mary because I love them, and just keep forgetting to get one when I go out for dinner. (The last time I had a Bloody Mary I ordered it without the vodka because I was expecting my daughter, who's now 26.) I think you get the idea about me and alcoholic beverages. I've never used drugs in my life. (I keep a bottle of aspirin in my medicine chest, and use it when have to. That's it.) Having had no choice but to go through a court system that isn't about the truth, justice, fairness, or even rights; I do, unfortunately, know what it's like to have my children away from me and wondering when the court will get it right, correct the mistake it made, and let them live with the parent with whom they were most bonded and comfortable at the time. I know what it's like to have one's life and world turned to ruins, and to have so much anger and grief that one stashes it all in the back of their mind just to be able to get through the day. THEN, some other things happens and adds to it all, and like Pandora's box, all those monstrous thoughts and feelings come flying out and making a person feel as if he can't bear it for another minute. I didn't happen to see suicide as option because a) I wasn't going to do that to my kids, but b) I wasn't going to let people who were angry at me or who wanted to see me destroyed win. I wasn't living out on the streets, though, and I wasn't hungry. In fact, there were a lot of ways I was so much more fortunate than a lot of other people are.

However, I'd learned what a couple of cigarettes can do when a person is under unbearable circumstances, and that's what got me through some of the most unbearable moments when all this was going on.

It's probably important that I make it very clear that I don't using unhealthy and/or dangerous substances as a way of dealing with even the most serious of crises in life, or in mental health. The real point here is that substance abuse problems aren't necessarily always the cause of other problems in a person's life. Sometimes they're the result of them. Is use of one or more of these substances the acceptable and healthy way to deal with such an extreme crisis? Of course not - not in an ideal world, and not even in the world as we all know think we know it. There are times, though, when the rules and practices of even that far-from-ideal world that so many people think they know are as unrealistic a fantasy as that ideal world we all know doesn't exist.

There aren't a lot of beggars in the street where I live and work, but if I ever run into one I'll give him/her money and think, "I hope you get yourself a dollar cheeseburger or a doughnut - whatever fills you and gives you a little energy, and I hope you can get any cigarettes or alcohol that will get you through your next moment so that you can live to - maybe, just maybe - once again see more humane days. (As for drugs, since they aren't even anything that have ever been in my life, and since I find them far more frightening than the other two things, I guess I'd sort of hope drugs weren't the beggar's survival method of choice; but it wouldn't be my business if they were.

It wouldn't be my role to try to make sure the beggar only "eats healthy food" or only does what I approve of. I'd see my role as an understanding person who wasn't out to attach strings to the little money I could give him. Sure, I'd be contributing to his addiction(s), but I like to think I'd also be contributing to his sanity and and possibly survival (at least for the time-being). His substance abuse problem would be his, but his battle with it wouldn't be won if he had a psychotic breakdown or killed himself in a moment of being overwhelmed. Neither would it be won if he got to the point where he tried to escape by giving up and curling up and went to sleep in the cold streets, only to freeze to death.



Someone I Once Knew - A Story

Years ago, when my first son was little, there was a boy in our area who was a few years older than my son and would come by and talk to my son on the front lawn every once in a while. He seemed like a nice enough kid, although I got the feeling he might be a kid who struggled in school. He been one of two brothers, but his older brother was killed. So, when he'd stop by and talk with my son on the lawn, that was after he'd become the only living child of grieving parents.
He was coming around from the time he was in his late adolescence and then earliest teen years.
He seemed to enjoy talking not just with my little son, but with me. He kind of came across like a "lost soul" in a lot of ways. He wasn't a kid anyone ever saw with other kids. He'd ride around on his bike a lot, but I didn't know much about him, other than he was friendly and liked to talk.

In fact, even after he'd turned into an older teen and, later, a young man in his early twenties, he'd always chat a little when I met him somewhere in town. Once he came by my house and asked me if I might take one of several kittens that needed a home. He'd somehow come by knowing of the homeless kittens other than their being the offspring of a cat that was his own.

By the time he was in his early twenties he'd already been a teen who had gotten himself in trouble with substance abuse. In fact, substance abuse wasn't just his problem. By the time (and whether it was the drug use or not that caused this, I don't know) he'd been getting some mental-health help.

To me, it seemed understandable enough that this little boy who seemed to struggle in school, and who had lost an older brother at so young an age, might dabble in drugs once he'd gotten to the age where a whole lot of kids do the very same thing anyway. His two parents weren't people I knew well, but they'd always been very nice to me. They definitely seemed like sad people in spite of their cheerful and friendly demeanors. I suppose that losing one teen son (to an accident) and having one's only remaining child struggle in school and end up getting in too deep when it comes to drugs had taken their toll. This is pure speculation because nobody ever told me this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the grief stricken parents hadn't been able to be the right kind of support for their little boy after their elder son was killed, and at a time in his life when he most needed extra support. Maybe, too, their younger son knew how grief-stricken they were and didn't want to expect more attention or help from them. Or, there's even the chance that they (and others in the extended family) were so "wrapped up" in the loss that they couldn't/didn't know how desperately a child with so many things "against him" (in terms of self-esteem, happiness, etc.) needed far more than they were able to give him. It's really not for me to guess about any of the circumstances/issues that may have contributed to his problems. All I know is that he was young when they started, and that a good part of the time such problems don't start unless there are contributing factors that can make the difference between a kid who gets in over his head and one who finds a way to make sure he doesn't.

So, from the time when he was in, maybe, his mid-teens to early-twenties, I knew him as a young man who'd gotten himself "into problems" but who had the support of his parents, worked two jobs at two different gas stations, and seemed to (maybe) be on his way to getting a little more back on his feet.

He couldn't drive, so one parent or another would drive him to work. I'd meet his mother at the grocery store and she'd talk about coming in to get one thing or another that her son liked. As time went on, there was the occasional setback for her son, but then he'd seem to be doing better again later. To some point it had gotten so that he'd been in and out of mental-health facilities and/or rehabs more than once. By this time, my son had been grown up for quite awhile. The young man had gotten into his late twenties and moved away from his parents' home. I didn't see him for several years.

A few (several, I guess, by now) years ago I met his father, who told me that his mother had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease. All I could think about was whether his mother had gotten to see her son have his life a little more in order before Alzhiemer's Disease took away her memory. She's quite a bit older than I am, so she's had white hair since I've known her.

About a year after her husband told me that, I saw the two of them at the grocery store. The husband was guiding his, by then, feeble-looking wife by the hand. In such a short time she'd gone from being an active, vibrant, car-driving, lady with a neat and attractive style to her short, white, hair to such a frail little soul with her usual neat, clean, and casual clothing but scraggly enough hair that she looked like someone else somehow. I wondered if she'd ever gotten to see her boy be OK and happy.

A couple of years ago I had to go to a nearby city. It's a city I don't usually go to unless I have to. There are nicer ones around, and they're where I go if/when I have a choice. In any case, I was in the downtown area and decided to get a cup of coffee after running my errand. I found a bench by the coffee shop and sat to have the coffee before heading home. It was the middle of a beautiful afternoon. There was an older man who sat beside me and started talking. I'd never seen him before, and I didn't really mind his talking. It was the middle of the afternoon and the middle of the downtown area. Someone else (and I, too, I suppose) would see this guy as a "derelict type". (There's something about me that tends to attract children, elderly people, cats, dogs, and "derelect types". I don't know... I guess I'm approachable or safe-seeming. )

In any case, I didn't mind the older man's talking. I could have left if I'd wanted to, but I kind of thought he wouldn't stay too long. It wasn't long before a more familiar person, wearing an odd hat, came to my rescue. It was the boy from my town, who was by then in his mid-thirties. I wasn't too happy that he told the older man to leave me alone, and then he said, "Is he bothering you?" The man left, and I didn't appreciate this seemingly harmless man's being treated with the hint of aggression and complete lack of respect that my "local friend" had demonstrated.

After the man left my "friend" sat down and began to talk. The conversation was basic "long-time-no-see" chat, but it was clear to me that the young man was not OK. He was either on something or had developed serious mental issues. He was as friendly to me (friendlier actually) as he'd always been. If nothing else, this was an individual who, although often sullen in his "bad phases", had always acted as if he liked me as a "good friend to talk to" when he was more himself.

During the conversation I asked him how his mother was. His friendly tone turned angry (not at me, but "about" his mother), and he said, "I don't know. I haven't seen her. She could be dead by now." I dropped it and took the conversation in a different direction. Things were all pleasant enough again. After awhile he asked me if I had "just a dollar". He apologized profusely for "even asking". I told him I didn't care and would give him the dollar, but I had to go into the store to get cash because I don't generally carry much cash with me and had spent most of the cash I had.

At the time I didn't have all kinds of extra money to be giving to anyone; besides, I knew he was someone who used drugs and alcohol and wasn't about to give him more than the reasonable-enough dollar for which he'd asked. All I could think of was his mother and father, and if that were my son I wouldn't have wanted anyone giving him cash he could use to buy drugs. When I said I'd be glad to give him the dollar I also said that I'd like to be able to give him more, but he knew that I didn't "have a lot of money" and just couldn't. He knew enough about my own history that he knew my divorce had, shall we say, put me in a different lifestyle than the one he'd originally known me to have when he was younger.

He said how much he appreciated just the dollar, and he said, "I haven't really eaten." Not really knowing whether I could be believe what he said or not, I went into the store and picked up a couple of snacks for him (a snack bar, crackers, a candy bar) and got singles back when I did.
He seemed to appreciate the snacks and ate them. Then he said, "Will you be here for another five minutes? I need to go do something, but I'll be back." At that point, I figured that staying another few minutes wouldn't make much difference, so I returned to what coffee I had left; and he took off in a flash, running and weaving through the downtown traffic. Basically, he looked like a lunatic who was going to get himself killed. He sang at the top of his lungs and from under the peculiar hat as he dashed and weaved and a couple of cars honked horns.

I didn't know if he needed a men's room or a drink of water or "what", but I figured I'd wait another few minutes before leaving. It didn't matter. I'd seen enough of how far this young man, who had so often shown signs of getting on his feet, had been pulled away from his former self and life and, instead, pulled into street life and mental-health and/or substance abuse problems so much more serious than they'd ever been. I just kept thinking of his parents (particularly his mother) and how I'd feel if that were my child. I actually considered the idea that maybe, after what had happened with her two boys, his mother may be better off not to have to be aware of all of it any longer. Then I thought of his father, a now elderly man with an Alzheimer's stricken wife and a son in the downtown traffic, singing at the top of his lungs and wearing a peculiar hat.

Naturally, my thoughts also turned to the age of the man I'd known since childhood; and I couldn't help but believe that if he'd not straightened his life out by that age, it was unlikely things would get very much better (if they got better at all).

It wasn't long before my "friend" returned as quickly as he said he would, and he returned in the same way he'd left - dashing and weaving through the city traffic and singing at the top of his lungs from under the hat.

He plopped down next to me on the rickety bench again, and I wasn't sure why, exactly, he'd asked me to wait for him to get back. He chatted a little more, thanked me again for the dollar and claimed that he'd bought a "joint" with it. Middle-aged and straight mother that I was, I wasn't sure if I should believe him because I wasn't under the impression "joints" could be gotten for such a little bit of money. Then again, knowing how small they are from having seen them in my younger days, I figured there was a good chance he was telling the truth. I didn't care one way or another. It actually occurred to me that he may have run into the doughnut shop across the street and gotten a doughnut, not wanting to let me know that my well intentioned snacks hadn't been enough to fill him. I knew he'd always been a thoughtful "kid". I knew he liked me. I knew, too, that he was disgusted at a court system that had created problems in my life when he thought I was someone who was "too nice to have that 's---' happen" (as he'd put it).

Also, I knew he saw me as a buddy, so - who knows? - maybe he'd gotten the doughnut that I'd wondered about, or maybe he had, in fact, gotten what he said he had. Maybe he'd thought saying he got a "joint" would be something I'd see as "acceptable", while saying he'd gotten a doughnut might highlight the fact that what I'd given him had been so inadequate for someone who "hadn't really eaten". I don't know... I allowed myself to imagine these possibilities; because when all was said and done, I guess I'd kind of hoped he'd wanted the dollar to use as bus fare or else, maybe, buy himself a fruit juice on that hot, sunny, afternoon. Either way, a "joint" wasn't going to help him or harm him much at that point.

A measly dollar doesn't buy much one way or another, and I wondered where any money he did get was coming from, and what he may have to do for it. I assumed there was the chance he was getting some kind of assistance from a government program (maybe the SSI program? maybe food stamps that he was selling for cash?). I wondered if, even if he'd been on a goverment program, he'd found himself off it; because in our conversation he'd already talked about "problems" he'd had with the people who ran a shelter in the area. I thought of the little boy who used to stop by my front yard and walkway to chat, about his mother, about his father, and about each of my own three children; and I told myself that "problems" with the "shelter people" didn't necessarily mean problems with the people associated with government agencies/programs.

I didn't really believe "the doughnut thing" I'd imagined, and I wasn't really oblivious to the reality that the person with "issues" that my "friend" had usually don't just run into "problems" with one group of people like those running the shelter. They tend to run into problems with everyone with whom they have any dealings or relationships. In fact, people like my "friend" tend to have the most problems with the people who most want to help them and who are most able to at least try.

Not too long after my "friend" had returned to the bench I told him I had to get back home. We said our friendly good-byes. He said his "thank you's" again. I headed up the sidewalk, and dashed back out into the downtown street, singing at the top of lungs from under the peculiar hat.

As I walked, I thought about what I might or might not say to his father should I meet him again. I wondered if he'd want to know that I'd seen his son and that he was at least alive, or if he'd rather not want to know that I'd seen his son and seen how he was spending his sunny afternoons. I decided not to ask (as I'd always done) how his son was if I met him. The fact was I knew how his son was. His wife was someone else about whom I would not ask. The fact was I had a pretty good idea how his wife must be.

The father and I have meet three times since that sunny afternoon. The first two times we chatted about "nothing" for the brief time we were together. The third time the elderly and tired-seeming man just said a friendly, "hi" and kept going.

I've since learned that the mother of this young man passed away not long ago. Her obituary mentioned only her husband among those who survived her. Whether or not her son's name was intentionally left off because of alienation from his parents or not, I don't know. I've imagined that, and even imagined how his mother's passing may actually have reunited him with his father and eventually led to his once again beginning to get his life back in order. Well, I imagine that and "the doughnut thing".

I don't know why I allow myself to imagine this kind of stuff, even if for only fleeting moments. It's just, I guess, the kind of thing a lot of us tend to do when we know there's nothing else whatsoever that we can do.

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Cagsil Level 7 Commenter 9 months ago

Hey Lisa, this is one awesome hub about giving money to beggars and homeless people, which is something I will do, whenever I have the opportunity. I have gone further than just give them money. I've shared my home with a few, just so that they would/could have a warm place to sleep for at least one night. I give money to beggars and homeless people and don't care what they do with the money. I put not restrictions on my assistance for others. It's completely unfair to do so. It's unfair, because it is impossible for any individual to know or understand why another person is a beggar or homeless to begin with, unless you spend the day with them and talk to them. Which, if you ask anyone who gives money to a beggar or homeless person, they will tell you that they do nothing more and are not really interested in 'why' the person is a beggar or homeless to begin with. I hope you get lots of readers for this hub, because it should be a wake up call to those who are selfish.

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gg.zaino Level 2 Commenter 9 months ago

Hi Lisa, thank you for your words of non-condemnation here.

this write was done well and your personal story was thought provoking.

I was homeless years ago and although i never spare changed down city, i knew many who did.

a meal, socks, new boots or food, perhaps a motel room for the night to feel human- this is where most i knew spent the dollars and quarters handed over.

So many turn in disgust; like any person on the street actually prefers that lifestyle to stability... by folks thinking... "Junkie- Alcoholic!" so much condemnation, yet little understanding.

Much prejudice is applied to the heads of the homeless.

So many do-gooders forget for example, that their wives and husbands are on Valium, Xanex, children are on Ritalin, and anti depressants- or perhaps hubby must drink a six pack of beer, or bottle of Chardonnay on a daily basis after a hard day avoiding homeless requests just for a chance.

Anyone who speaks up for those who aren't able, i tip my unusual hat to- and sing at the top of my lungs.

Thanks again for being the voice of reason Lisa.

peace~ greg

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Paradise7 Level 7 Commenter 9 months ago

It's something to think about. I really think the person should give, or not give, and not put a lot of strings on it. If you worry that much about how the money is spent, it's a good idea to offer food, instead. If they take it, fine, if they don't, you probably saved yourself some hard-earned cash from being spent on booze or drugs. It's a sad case, anyway, when you see homeless people. Most of the people weren't always homeless and had ordinary lives, until they either had a huge personal disaster they couldn't cope with, or got caught by booze and drugs, or became schizophrenic and are not treated for it.

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Lisa HW Hub Author 9 months ago

Cagsil, thank you for your kind words and for supporting a little less of a judgmental and dismissive attitude. The way I see, when it comes to people like those who live on the streets (my own situation ever was anywhere near that type of thing, but I've sampled snippets of "mini-experiences" that shed a little light on why some people would do some things), they're either people who have come to homelessness with an already big disadvantage; or else they're people who came to it through not fault of their own (no matter how otherwise capable, hard-working) they previously were.

Either way, there's something to said for understanding that a whole lot of homelessness and similar impoverished situations are not the fault of the person (or the result of his laziness).

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Greg, thank you for sharing here. I'd probably call my years-ago time without my own home as "homelessness light". I had my car, was centered around the suburban (even "leafy green") suburb where my home was, and had my mother's house to go to for taking showers (or, when Winter came, sitting in a chair between around 11:00 p.m. and 5/6 in the morning when I could go back to the car again (and find coffee places, parking lots to read, etc.) Why I didn't just live at my mother's was related to some misunderstandings associated with my leaving my marriage, but also to the fact that she didn't have a "guest room" or even much place where I could have some privacy away from the comings and goings of others in the house.

Having had a bunch of lies told about me in court, being separated from my children, and being told to leave my home; I was angry, but also I needed to be alone (because nobody was "on my side" when it came to the divorce - at least not until they learned a little more about what had been going on).

So I could be clean, and being hungry wasn't a problem (even though I was coming up with my own food outside. There was a point, though, where the car was no longer fit to be on the road; and that's when I got some sampling of walking everywhere, no matter how cold out (or hot out) it was. I did that long enough that I'd eventually become completely exhausted (and still keep walking (like 110 miles each week). That's when I experienced the thing with just kind of wondering what would happen if I stopped where I was, and wondering if my mind would "go completely blank". Without more details, suffice it to say that with having just this much "homelessness light", I discovered a whole lot of things about how bad it can get, and can only imagine how bad it must get for people who can't eventually get to a house where they can get a cup of tea and try to recuperate from being outside, exhausted, angry, grieving, cold, etc. etc.

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Paradise7, thank you sharing thoughts here. What I discovered just with my own experience of finding myself out of my home, away from my kids, and eventually without a driver's license (oh, and without an income) was that I went from being someone that other people just automatically assumed was capable and healthy and mentally sound to someone people automatically assumed had mental problems, was irresponsible, "must have done something wrong", and didn't know how to manage a life. In the meantime, I wasn't just the same me I'd always been. I was someone who had learned from yet more life experiences and knew a whole lot more about how some things work than a lot of other people did. :/

In our society, earning a good income is equated with "being smart and capable" (as are the outward signs that show a person earns that income). Even though I looked into welfare programs, knowing that I could easily find work because I had a decent and broad background; there wasn't even emergency help (even a small loan) that didn't come with the strings of being treated as someone who didn't know how to manage money, had no skills (and needed training), "probably needed parenting classes" (because the lies had resulted in the custody issue), and wasn't even seen as someone who could comfortably and easily support myself in my own residence with my own kids.

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Deni Edwards 9 months ago

Very thoughtful hub, Lisa.

Many homeless people are homeless due to a mental illness. As we all know, not only is a mental disorder costly to treat (psych visits and meds), but it also has a stigma attached to it. This, too, prevents people and family members from addressing mental illness.

Many people "self-medicate" themselves--whether through alcohol or drugs, this is the way that they survive.

This is an unfortunate story, but your thoughtfulness is refreshing.

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Hello, hello, 9 months ago

Hello, Lisa, and thank you for this incredible hub. There are so many sad stories and tragedies in this world. I can feel with you because I also had so many hard kicks. I am so sorry for what you have been through.

I had 10 years trying to rescue our marriage. He just wanted the house and me and our son out. He treaded our son terribly. So much so that his whole life is recked. I tried with herculas power to prevent it but no such luck. At the divorce, at least I kept the house because I wanted our son and he wanted -- just his guitars It shows the character he is. After five years heturned upnonthe doorstep and wanted to be friend and evenutally disclosed tht he wanted to move back. Famous line - he changed. HA. No way.

I'll understand human beings and I'll never get over it. I cope with it as best as I can.

Well, take care and all my best wishes.

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Lisa HW Hub Author 9 months ago

Paradise7, thank you for contributing here. That's the thing (what you said): The situation can so easily be caused by something that's no fault whatsoever of the individual. When mental illness is at the root of it, people can't hide their situation as well as those who at least didn't start out mentally ill can hide their own. Nobody knows about the people who are kicked out of their nice homes and have no choice but to stay in the car. Such people can drive their attractive sedans and wear (as in my case) their Winter white coats and high-quality shoes, put on their usual make-up in the rear-view mirror, and sort the mail they pick up by the warmth of the car's heater fan. To look at people who have just been kicked out of (or lost) their homes, nobody would know the difference between them and anyone else. (I kept my little pink, translucent, storage box with my Pantene shampoo, toothbrush and tooth brush cover, and other personal items on the seat next to me. A nylon bag I had held my office supplies.)

With having the option to stop in at relatives' and friends' houses at different times, and without having the car; the difference between what I've described here (about how I managed) and out-in-public homelessness on the streets would have been pretty much "0".

Nobody sees people when they're just on the verge of a gradual decline. The situation is like symptoms of cancer: They often don't show up until things are really bad.

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AOkay12 9 months ago

This is a very thoughtful Hub. I try and give money to people that I perceive to be homeless or in need. At the same time, I find it difficult not to place an expectation on how the money should be spent. I realize that being homeless does not make a person a substance abuser by default, but I would not want to give money to someone if I suspect that the money would be used for a self-destructive activity. I am not a person that sits in judgment of the homeless, because I have been there through no fault on my own as a child.

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Lisa HW Hub Author 8 months ago

Deni, Hello hello, and AOkay12: Sorry I've taken so long to respond to the last three comments here. I've had computer problems and some copyright issues to be following up on.

Deni, thank you. I think another reason some people (at least those whose problems began after leaving a marriage) might be the way the system so easily messes up, can't seem to straighten out mistakes, and then treats people as if the mistakes are, in fact, not mistakes at all. Once someone realizes that he isn't getting anyone to acknowledge the system's mess-ups, it's easy for someone to just feel that that safest thing is to stay as far away from "the system" (including, maybe, professional help not directly related to the court system). Besides, even if no big mistakes/miscommunication has gone on, once a divorce case is in the system the people involves can be required to sign release forms for medical/psychological records. There can be a "garbage in/garbage out" thing that goes on from there.

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Hello, hello; thank you. I'm sorry to know that you had your own "horror story". You're right. So many people have some version of their own. In a way, it may have actually been better for me and my kids than for many people; because the mess-ups and "crime" of it all weren't the doings of their father. It was the court system (and some others dragged into the case) that messed up. So, at least my kids understood that it was the fault of strangers that we all went through what we did. At least I was able to point out to the children that misunderstandings and anger can lead to the system's messing up; but that the people working within the system are the ones who are supposed to figure out the truth and do what's right.

Oh well... One of the reasons I write about what I think I've learned from the experience (even if it was "homelessness light", since I had the car, my clothes from the house, and friends'/relatives' houses for hygiene (etc.)) is that people who have had worse situations than mine aren't usually still whole enough to write about them. I just figure I may as well turn something rotten into a "learning experience" and try to help others understand a little better too.

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AOkay, I think that's how most people just normally feel (about what they'd be willing to give money for and what they don't want to "contribute to"). I'm pretty reluctant to give money to a lot of people, mostly because I know some who ask for it aren't even really homeless. I'm not a "big advocate" of destructive behaviors either; but if a person gets so the anxiety, anger, overwhelming grief, or any other kinds of overwhelmingly unbearable thoughts/emotions make him feel as if he'll either have his mind turn to a "blank white slate" or else he'll "do something drastic" because he can't bear to live through another minute or five minutes (when, maybe, a drink or a couple of cigarettes will calm him down enough so he can at least stop feeling that close to wanting to kill himself, and instead get himself through another day; so maybe he can do that "next thing" that will improve his situation); it might actually be more destructive for a person in that state to be left without that "crutch" that might get him through. I, personally, don't know what it would take to push a person into having a psychotic breakdown. I do know that the program, Nightline, once did a thing on a Texas prison where hard-core inmates were left in complete solitary confinement and had their food pushed under the door. That was enough to cause people to actually develop psychosis. I also know how uncomfortable it can be to have to walk miles in the cold Winter, even if a person knows he'll eventually get home to a warm house. I just picture the person who's dealing with all those other overwhelming thoughts and emotions, and who's living out in the Winter and either being humiliated or living in the kinds of places some people end up living in; and it sure seems easy enough to me to imagine how after awhile someone might be as deprived of what human beings need as those inmates are (but in a different way). I just figure, "Give them the cigarette money and or liquor money". Under such unbearable and dire situations, I see smoking or even having a drinking problem kind of the least urgent of the problems.

People who have psychotic breakdowns aren't usually ever the same, even if they come back from them. People who either kill themselves or else who get so all they can do is curl up on the frozen street somewhere and freeze to death don't get the chance to join AA or find a way to quit smoking. People who live through such moments do. Although my own situation was light-years away from what some people go through, one thing I've learned is that the rules change in a situation like that.

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moneycop Level 4 Commenter 8 months ago

Great great hub! the story really wet my eyes.....cant say words..just God Bless!!! people to serve and being served.

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Lisa HW Hub Author 8 months ago

moneycop, thank you and "bless" back to you.

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rembrandz Level 3 Commenter 8 months ago

Hey Lisa

I can't believe I never saw some very important issues I never thought of all these years....though homeless people land up homeless in the region I belong to are mostly not the same reasons of that of America. Whenever a beggar comes to our doorstep, if ever I give him/her money, my mind auto-goes to the hope that....let them go find themselves some food to eat...I never thought of it conciously...of what if they use it to drink or smoke...but I realize I wouldn't have wanted them to do that... because my mind always assumed...that they begged to meet the basics.

it made me realize.... why and how could we judge. The down-trodden too are human beings and have feelings and have a right to want to forget their troubles. Though alcohol and smoking is bad for health...many a rich man too indulge in it to forget their worries.

Thanks Lisa...for a great thought-provoking hub!

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Lisa HW Hub Author 8 months ago

rembranz, thank you for sharing your own thoughts here. Your comments made me realize how the Hub does overlook situations in regions where the causes/nature of such poverty can be very different. It struck me that you said beggars may come to the door, because in our region "beggars" are generally confined to urban areas, mainly because some services are available in cities and can be reached by foot or public transportation, I guess.

We have homeless people from places like middle-class/working class areas, but sometimes they're a matter of something like a family, or a mother and her kids who stay in a vehicle or even in a motel/hotel if they can come up with the money/assistance to do that.

In urban areas, the "street-living" homeless are very much "on the fringes" of society and kind of either cluster in little groups or else stay by themselves. Of course, there are also runaway teens (either troubled kids or else kids who come from abusive homes).

I don't know enough about the types of causes of homelessness there are in your region. (I know poverty, of course, can cause it; but I'm really not sufficiently familiar with all the causes to do more than share how it is in my own region.)

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rembrandz Level 3 Commenter 8 months ago

Hi Lisa HW Thank you for responding to my thoughts. Well I worked in the tri-state area and midwest for a couple of years and I was actually shocked to see that most homeless people in the USA were not necessarily born poor...they have landed there also because of family and economic conditions at some point...because I realised I could have normal conversations with them or they got into normal conversation like any educated or so-called civilised like when having breakfast at a food court I saw several of them have a good normal meal and push off with their trolly of their house-hold belongings.

In my part of the world, it is poverty. Most or all homeless are born into poverty and unfortunately there is a divide. People who were born into even middle-class families are less likely to get homeless because of the cultural tightness among communities they usually get help from someone in their families at least to survive and courts rarely play a part in any disagreements because families don't prefer to take that step...also because of fear that tackling it may take much longer. This is common in the developing world. This could work against the system because since people don't prefer to go legal or file suits against family members, there is hushed-up family disputes and there are lot of instances where parts of families not given their fair share. I know many, who have been deprived of their own family properties and who have landed less prosperous than their sibblings. They may not be so impoverished so as to land in the streets. Hence many who have suffered stay passive in order to not make an issue in the society and lead resentful lives because of lack of ability to assert. These are some of the deep routed unaddressed issues too complicated (as it's a vicious cycle) that in my opinion compels modern citizens of such regions to migrate to other countries in search of a simpler, better, straight forward way of lives, even willing to get used to a foreign culture.

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Lisa HW Hub Author 8 months ago

rembranz, thank you for sharing this kind of additional perspective on the differences in some causes of homeless between the different regions. I think this would be a great subject for a Hub for you. Not long ago I read a "big thing" (I don't even recall where/what it was) about dealing with poverty, and it was written from the perspective of someone (or an agency) addressing poverty within India. It was so clear to me that the roots of some poverty there are different from the roots of some of it here (and even that poverty, itself, is so often a different type of thing in some regions versus other regions). That "thing" I read addressed all the "usual" with regard to poverty. I've read "tons" of things about poverty in the US that also address "the usual" about its brand of poverty. What so often we don't see when something like poverty is being discussed are often the kinds of issues you've raised in your comments here (the more "subtle" or "hidden" kinds of things that lie underneath the easier-to-see "surface picture" and problems). That kind of thing is what I aimed for with even just this "microscopic snippet" about only a small part of what can lead to poverty in the US (or culturally similar nations, I'm assuming; and at least to some degree).

One thing that strikes me about your comment is that while you point out that lack of court involvement can contribute to some of the problems in your region, sometimes over-involvement and misguided involvement on the part of the courts and "The System" can substantially contribute to poverty situations in the US.

Your remark about the less prosperous (versus more prosperous) siblings makes me think of two things: 1) that in the US the government doesn't even factor in family beyond parents, child, and "established" dependents in some ways; but that in other ways, things (laws/policies/programs) are set up in a way that either counts on/assumes that other family members will pick up the slack; or else, in some cases, that drags them into (or at least allows them to be involve themselves) too much and to the point where a proper balance/perspective doesn't seem to ever exist. 2) In the US, there's that vast number of people considered "middle class" (which is sometimes more a matter of thinking and values than actual income level, but which technically does fall between poverty and "extremely comfortable" wealth). With so many people being "middle", though; and with "middle" not particularly being all that comfortable, it doesn't take much to shrink a "margin of error" (sometimes through loss of income or added expenses, but even often through some tax laws) to push someone from "middle" into "low" (and sometimes even "no") income. Either way, with so many people being "middle", we have a lot of families/family members who are very much in the "same boat" as everyone else in their extended family. There are, of course, people who dramatically break off from overall family income range. Those who "break off" in the downward direction often get help from family members, but middle family can sometimes only afford to help up to a point. Whether those who break off in the dramatically upward direction help family, and to what extent, depends, I guess, on the individuals and individual family members involved.

How much any extremely wealthy family member does to help his less wealthy relatives can depend on exactly HOW wealthy that person is, but also how many needy relatives he has and how needy they are, I guess. What we tend to see here is often the very lowest income people seeing those whose incomes are fairly high, but would not be considered "great wealth", who view those higher income people as "rich" when, in fact, the income isn't sufficiently high that the person can help his family members as much as they think he can.

A somewhat unrelated point is that in the US "The System" so often has complete and utter disregard for the privacy of families and also the right of families not to have the government and its court systems, agencies, and schools inflict itself into their lives.

This kind of discussion could go on for ages (regardless of the cultural perspective); the numbers of people in a middle that is either being divided, or else living with increased challenges in order to stay "middle" (even if only in values and educational/employment aims) mean a lot more people will either find themselves in "low middle" or pushed out out of "middle" and precariously teetering on the verge of homelessness.

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rembrandz Level 3 Commenter 8 months ago

Hey there Lisa HW Sorry for the delayed reply.

Wow thanks for the reply. i would say your response here itself makes a gu-rreat hub.

I am wondering if there is a possibility for 2 hubbers to write a hub jointly while maintaining our own accounts, because this subject of poverty between our 2 worlds gives birth to so many questions and discussions.

Oh yes! I am aware of the over-involvement of the courts. I am sorry if you have suffered much from that. Well it's true there are ugly-points in both non-court and court involvement, both very complicated causing much distress to the people caught up in it.

I wish we could talk about this at length and a hub is possible to address this...and I throw in my sketches to demonstrate how we could see a change in our societies eh?

Thanks again Lisa H for this great hub

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Lisa HW Hub Author 8 months ago

rembrandz, I wrote a whole, big, answer here but technical difficulties (site-wide I think) wiped it out. Now we're at the holiday weekend. I'll be back as soon as I can. I had a similar idea as you had.

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rembrandz Level 3 Commenter 8 months ago

oh am sorry you lost what you commented Lisa HW. Sounds good. Am all for it.

My this "rembrandz" account though my core account now is art-related because it is linked to my artistic work/core career activities.

But one may notice some generic hubs in here. That was because of my Google Adsense approval requirement I had to place life/issues/travel hubs here...but eventually wanted to move it to another account which brings them focused readers.

So with approval of the possibility from the hub staff I opened another account called "MysteriousLife"

and one more dedicated to Interviews called "interviews101...Both brand new. However, my first hub for interviews101 is ready. But I am looking forward to using MysteriousLife for such unaddressed global issues which requires a complete shift of mentalities from the part of the rulers and the people.

True, I really wish 2 hubbers could contribute to one hub if they share the same sentiments of certain issues. Just clueless how it is technically possible. But I am excited at the possibility! Can't wait to find out how. However I have seen the account "2Patricias". I think I read on their profile that it is by 2 people (2 Patricias). However I am not fully sure. k then, see you after the weekend. Have a good one!

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